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George
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:11 pm |
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sara why is your tinker bell acting sexy
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ashybaby0206
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:13 pm |
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george did you listen to the music!?
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Robert Bohl
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:14 pm |
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Zing! Greg! Thanks for the clarification, Brant. (PS: Greg, I'm not shitting on you for choosing to do this. I thing given the style of game you prefer to play, the effort you've put into this is terrific.) George wrote: Robert Bohl wrote: However, it's an "I-statement." It's ok sara it was very funny. sorry and YOU Rob BOWL, i, with my complete lack of moderator power, will tolerate no "I" statements, no 7 things effective people do fancy talk, and no going into your cave and finding your power animal. We (royal) use the plain word here none of that established rules of conversation crapola designed by fascists to keep down slim jim and his love of saying what he feels like without it being picked apart syllogistically Thanks for reminding me! I was going to let this go but you totally misused the notion of the royal we (aka the magestic plural). The royal we is used by royalty to indicate that when they speak, they speak not as a single person but as an embodiment of a nation. "Let's not shit on the carpet," is more like smarmy sarcasm (although given that you're addressing someone who's shitting on the carpet, I'd say you've got carte blanche to be as smarmy as you wanna be).
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Ryoken
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:15 pm |
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Robert Bohl wrote: 2) I think the "dominant paradigm" a) may be the dominant paradigm for reasons of quirks of history; b) isn't the most creative use of people's time; and c) may in part be what limits the appeal of roleplaying games. However, you're absolutely right. It's totally the dominant paradigm in gaming. a) Everything is a quirk of history. Most discoveries are accidents. That doesnt malign the discovery. b) Is that the goal? Are we to judge everything with respect to the most efficient use of time? c) It may be. It may also be that RPGs appeal is limited because culture as a whole views watching sports and drinking alcohol as more efficient uses of time. Robert Bohl wrote: 3) The level of technical expertise required to create tv shows or mod video games is light years beyond a little creative collaboration. We're human beings. We create stories and collaborate as part of our intrinsic biological structure. Good point about technical expertise, but dont get all anthropological on me now. Following the orders of dominant individuals is part of our intrinsic biological structure too.
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George
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:18 pm |
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i wish i was a dominant male, then i could mount whatever i wanted. And when i spoke people would fear me, and not look at me like Napoleon without an army
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Ryoken
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:20 pm |
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Robert Bohl wrote: a phrase there which bothers me, says the GM is not playing the game, too, but I can't figure out how else to easily put it Something I wanted to say with respect to this: I actually feel that the GM is the only one actually playing the game. Think Dungeon Keeper.... if you have ever played it. The RPG game is a defensive one in which the players are just AI's interacting with his creation. The GM is at the keyboard, with the only real power over the world. Consider your mind... blown! MUWAAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Brant
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:21 pm |
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Let's take two distinctly different scenarios ...
1) A guy has a great idea for a setting with some well-defined characters and decides to GM a game and have some NPCs and goes looking for some players
2) A bunch of people get together and decide they want to play a game together
Doesn't it make sense that the first scenario lead to a more structured, GM driven game? If the players walk into the first session or pre-session and start wanting to change the world around, don't you think the GM will become dissatisfied? And at that point, everyone is no longer enjoying the experience.
On the other hand, if you already have a bunch of people who want to start something up, wouldn't a collaborative process be (at least) a reasonable choice?
I know that these are somewhat overly simplistic examples but I really believe that a lot of this can be boiled down to play-style preference and certain situational variables... and I think this illustrates that to some degree
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ashybaby0206
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:22 pm |
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George wrote: sara why is your tinker bell acting sexy because it fucked your mom last night trebek
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Ryoken
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:23 pm |
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George wrote: i wish i was a dominant male, then i could mount whatever i wanted. And when i spoke people would fear me, and not look at me like Napoleon without an army It is your desire for this which keeps you towing the line. Just like poor people in the USA vote to remove taxes from rich people, they dream of being rich. Both dont realize they are doomed to obscurity. A shame....
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Ryoken
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Post subject: Re: Episode 27: Tweaking and The Packet Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:25 pm |
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Brant wrote: Let's take two distinctly different scenarios ...
1) A guy has a great idea for a setting with some well-defined characters and decides to GM a game and have some NPCs and goes looking for some players
2) A bunch of people get together and decide they want to play a game together
Doesn't it make sense that the first scenario lead to a more structured, GM driven game? If the players walk into the first session or pre-session and start wanting to change the world around, don't you think the GM will become dissatisfied? And at that point, everyone is no longer enjoying the experience.
On the other hand, if you already have a bunch of people who want to start something up, wouldn't a collaborative process be (at least) a reasonable choice?
I know that these are somewhat overly simplistic examples but I really believe that a lot of this can be boiled down to play-style preference and certain situational variables... and I think this illustrates that to some degree I agree with your points. I just feel that personally, unlike Robert, I prefer a game whose setting and plot springs from 1 mind. Great art doesnt get produced by committee.
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